MMA Perspectives: Discussing Shinya Aoki and His Championship Behaviour | Mr. James Ryan

MMA Perspectives: Discussing Shinya Aoki and His Championship Behaviour

Shinya “Tobikan Judan” Aoki is a Japanese mixed-martial artist and former police trainee who also happens to be the current DREAM lightweight champion, Shooto middleweight champion, and the World Alliance of Mixed Martial Arts lightweight champion.

Very impressive.

Now, I hate to rehash old news, but what’s not so impressive is what happened at Dynamite 2009, this past December.

In case you hadn’t heard by now, after breaking the arm of the Sengoku champion, Mizuto Hirota, with a hammerlock arm submission, Aoki followed it up by flipping the bird (middle finger) to an incapacitated Hirota, his corner and the entire audience in attendance.

Afterwards, Aoki had this to say:

“Well, this guy’s pride just won’t let him tap, will it? So without hesitation, I broke it. I heard it break, and I thought, ‘Ah, there, I just broke it.’ I was stopped afterward, but even if I hadn’t been, continuing to break it more would have been fine by me.” –mmafighting.com

Now that’s what I call a true champion! Not.

But forget what I think, after all, I’m just a father, teacher, martial arts instructor, and a youth football coach. What could I possibly know about sportsmanship?

In fact, I wonder what the always professional Dana White would think about this level of behaviour?

“This isn’t (expletive) baseball or one of these other sports,” White said at a gathering of reporters after Saturday’s UFC108. “Sometimes these guys hate each other. When you break a guy’s arm that you hate, flip him off, and let him know you’re glad you broke his arm, I guess, it happens sometimes.

“It’s not the greatest sportsmanship, but, ‘oh, that guy is terrible, he’s a horrible man and he shouldn’t fight anymore,’ this is the fight business, man. Crazy stuff happens in the fight business sometimes.” –mmaweekly.com

You’re right Dana. This isn’t baseball. Or football for that matter. Or even tennis.

This is MMA, and what I really don’t understand by reading your comment is, why the double-standard (any set of principles containing different provisions for one group of people than for another)?

You certainly don’t see things like this happening in the NFL (also a hard-hitting sport with a ton of emotion) and if it did, harsh disciplinary action would definitely follow. In fact, the “No Fun League” has made it perfectly clear that any level of unsportsmanlike behaviour of this nature would result in nothing less than a massive fine and a very lengthy suspension.

So what will happen to Aoki now? Will he be fined? Will he be suspended? Will he be banned from ever fighting again?

Apparently, none of that is necessary as Aoki is DREAM’s biggest star, so there will be no discipline beyond a “verbal” reprimand.

“Learn to keep people dependent on you. To maintain your independence you must always be needed and wanted. The more you are relied on, the more freedom you have. Make people depend on you for their happiness and prosperity and you have nothing to fear.”

Aoki claimed his killer instinct came from a sense of duty to DREAM and its management company, Real Entertainment.

“When Sasahara tells me to go and do something, I do it, and that’s how I live my life,” he said. “If Sasahara tells me to go to Strikeforce and take them out or ‘Go and kill that guy,’ I’m going to do it.

No doubt, he has learned his lesson and clearly, those who will follow behind him will be terrified to replicate his behaviour in the future.

Are you sensing my frustration and sarcasm yet?

I hope so, because this is the exact sort of thing that is holding MMA back from mainstream acceptance. In fact, I had to ask the question to a couple of celebrity friends of mine, who of course, gave two completely different answers.

Showdown Joe Ferraro from MMA Connected on Sportsnet.ca, had this to say:

“Hey James, I was at the press conference when Dana made these comments, but he did preface them by stating he had not seen the Aoki fight yet; I’m confident that if (and when ) he does, he will change his tune.

In my opinion, what Aoki did after the fight was over, was inexcusable and he should definitely be reprimanded. In a strange sort of irony, I’m glad it happened in Japan, because if it happened in North America, it would likely have been fodder for many of MMA’s critics, who would likely run with the story for days.

We all saw what happened to Renato Babalu Sobral at UFC 74, when he refused to let go of the anaconda choke on David Heath; he was fined by the NSAC and subsequently cut by the UFC.

If Aoki was with the UFC, Strikeforce or any MMA organization under the jurisdiction of a true athletic commission, he would likely have suffered the same fate of Sobral.

As irony would have it, he has finally called out Tatsuya Kawajiri, a fellow lightweight I believe has the skills to defeat him, but perhaps serve the submission wizard a dish better known as ‘karma’.”

I have to admit that hearing about it and watching it, are two very different things. If you haven’t watched the video yet, please do so. You will be shocked (and not just by Aoki’s pants).

Pat Miletich, former UFC welterweight champion, had this to say:

“A fighter’s job is to win. Fighters also have an obligation to give up when they are about to lose a limb. It is the harsh reality of MMA.

As far as NFL, NHL, etc… this sort of thing does happen all the time. Chop blocks, brutal hits when one defender holds a running back or receiver upright long enough for a teammate to smash them. Trust me, it happens every game.

It’s all the same when you mix testosterone and money together. I want the money and glory, and you’re in my way.

It all depends on what the guy did and said that prompted the arm break and flipping the bird after the fact. Poor sportsmanship goes both ways.”

I definitely agree that the dirty stuff happens in every sport. That is unfortunately the nature of professional competition for the exact reasons that Pat has stated above.

The difference as I see it with this particular situation is that, after the competitor was already injured, Aoki then flipped him off, and it’s that level of misconduct that I can’t help but to wonder about.

I simply can’t see the NFL sitting back and doing absolutely nothing in a situation like that, when in fact they are also issuing $30,000 fines against players like Chad Ochocinco for wearing a poncho and sombrero as part of a post-touchdown celebration (unsportsmanlike conduct).

I agree that injuries will happen, and I also believe that the fighter has a responsibility to tap, probably more-so than the fighter executing the submission, but to taunt a man afterwards to me just seems beyond excessive.

I also agree totally that poor sportsmanship goes both ways. That’s what bothers me sometimes about Frank Mir.

When Cheick Kongo wouldn’t even look at Mir during the weigh-ins of their last fight, it could certainly appear as though Kongo was the one demonstrating very poor sportsmanship, but obviously Mir did or said something to create that level of disdain, that the rest of us would not get to see or understand.

What’s really curious about the Aoki fight is that at the start of the contest, when they shook hands, Aoki clasped Hirota’s hand, which to me, almost seemed like a form of respect or even affection. I sensed no animosity whatsoever.

Compare that to how Diego Sanchez stares down his competitor’s, or how some other fighters refuse to even touch gloves (Mir and Kongo for example). The whole incident just seemed extremely odd.

My apologies fight fans for such a long article, but sportsmanship has always been something that I have felt very strongly about.

Poor sportsmanship is unfortunately a fact of life. Acceptance, tolerance, and making excuses for these athletes however, needs to stop.

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These are my opinions. If you don’t like them…I have others. Check them out at www.coachjamesryan.com

28 Comments

  1. James says:

    Click here to watch the video of the fight on YouTube:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot7XK_C3uWQ

  2. Jeff says:

    No need to apologize, Coach. I thought this was a great article. Thanks.

  3. Darren says:

    Nice stuff. Probably your most in-depth piece yet.

  4. LF says:

    Just imagine if that fight HAD been in the UFC. Oh the outrage it would cause.

  5. Jayson says:

    What i wouldn't give to see B.J. mash this turd. Aokis BJJ is the truth, but he has no stand up. Penn would burger this douche.

  6. Jesus says:

    I think it was definite poor sportsmanship to flip the Hirota off after the fight, but what would warrant the suspension?
    Hirota didn't tap. Should Aoki have let go of the hold? Obviously not, so it broke. That's what happens when you don't tap. If a fighter didn't break the arm when his opponent refused to tap fighters would just wait for their opponent to release the hold when put in a submission. So would the suspension and fine be for the bird he flipped at the Hirota? How many times do you see that? ALL THE TIME.
    The case with Babalu is completely different. The guy tapped and he refused to let go. Hirota refused to tap so he got his arm broke. When the ref stopped it Aoki released the hold. Now if Aoki held on and continued to further damage Hirota's arm then yes definite suspension or ban, but that was not the case. It was mor like when Frank Mir broke Tim Sylvia's arm. It was merely a Brock Lesnaresque display of bad sportmanship.

  7. James says:

    Hi Jesus,

    Thanks for the read.

    Hirota didn't tap, but like Rich said below, his other arm was trapped. Perhaps he could have said 'tap' but I think that in a case like that, the responsibility falls on the ref. He had to be able to recognize that Hirota was in a position that he just couldn't get out of.

    YES, we do see bad behaviour all the time but two wrongs don't make a right and it certainly doesn't excuse Aoki. We can't change the past but I think it's old thinking that MMA shouldn't start to be more proactive in deterring this type of behaviour in the future.

    Arms will break. The antics afterwards can be stopped.

  8. Rich says:

    Watching the video it looks like his other arm was trapped and he couldn't tap.

  9. James says:

    Good point. I think the ref should have recongnized that Hirota was in a vulnerable position and stepped in. Not sure that's the norm with submissions, but perhaps it should be in severe cases like this.

    Thanks Rich

  10. Sterling says:

    One recomendation, don't apologize for a lengthy article, guys like me enjoy it if it is a solid read, which this article is.

    This situation is disheartning for me. I love Aoki, as you can probably tell with my six articles about him, but his behavior was a sham.

    Aoki has always been a brash fighter, which is something I like about him, but he did it in a respectful manner, until his fight with Hirota.

    I think there was some serious trash talk before this fight went down, which explains his actions, but still unacceptable.

  11. James says:

    Thanks Sterling. :)

    This behaviour doesn't just hurt Aoki. It hurts MMA (and Aoki isn't obviously the first and likely he won't be the last – so not trying to say that Aoki is the problem).

    The problem is that it is tolerated and excused in the first place. If it weren't and if fighters knew that they could get in serious trouble (forfeit their purse, one year suspension, etc.), you would see the fighters keeping their emotions in check a lot better.

    MMA would be better off for it (I think :)

    Cheers my friend.

  12. Sterling says:

    Another thing, what's with the sailor moon costume he's wearing in the photo? lol! that shit is funny@!

  13. James says:

    I know!!! LOL I couldn't believe it!! There are a bunch of pics of him in very compromising positions!!! LOL ????? The guy obviously has a great sense of humour about himself.

    I'll bet he's a great guy. Just knock off the crap!!! :)

  14. Joe S says:

    This is the first article I've read of yours (I haven't even marked a full week as a member ha) and I thought it was very well written.

    As far as the subject matter, Aoki's post-fight behavior was unacceptable. What makes MMA special is the levels of respect and integrity the fighters and real fans uphold. Though, I do think more responsibility falls on the fighter to tap when in danger of serious injury (with the exception of chokes) or on the referee to prevent such an act.

    I feel like there's a certain amount of leverage given to combat sports when to comes to criticizing injury inflicted actions but there should be no animosity from the victor when it happens.

  15. Showdown Joe Ferraro says:

    Great read…

    Thanks James.

  16. James says:

    You're welcome, and THANK YOU Joe!!

  17. joethetruth says:

    hey James nice read…playing the devils advocate I'd say it's the fight game what did you expect…but ultimately I feel as you do…however I feel a lot of the “promoting the fight,” thing can go too far Mir vs. Lesnar 2 for example…Mir said too much before the fight which prompted Lesnar to do what he did after the fight, 2 wrongs don't make a right but 1 wrong can certainly lead to another wrong as we've seen many times in the past…let's do away with promoting the fight.

  18. JW says:

    this was just fantastic
    as usual, you wrote a masterpice

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