Comments on: Bring Back Tournament-Style Fighting in the UFC http://mrjamesryan.com/2009/10/31/ufc-6-and-why-i-miss-the-good-old-days-of-tournament-style-fighting/ Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:03:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Justin http://mrjamesryan.com/2009/10/31/ufc-6-and-why-i-miss-the-good-old-days-of-tournament-style-fighting/comment-page-1/#comment-324 Justin Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:18:19 +0000 http://mrjamesryan.com/?p=285#comment-324 Tournament fighting is still a huge part of the Japanese MMA market but it provides far too many problems because for one, the "Best" fighter isn't usually the one who wins the tournament when the smoke clears, the winner of the tournament is usually the one who draws an easier opponent and enters the finals a lot more fresh.<br><br>Also theres the injury aspect of Tournament fighting, take Sengoku 9 for instance, in the Semi-Finals of the Featherweight Grand Prix Hatsu Hioki defeated Masanori Kanehara however due to a concussion sustained in the fight Hioki was unable to advance to the finals and Keanehara ended up winning the Tournament despite being defeated earlier in the night. Tournament fighting is still a huge part of the Japanese MMA market but it provides far too many problems because for one, the “Best” fighter isn't usually the one who wins the tournament when the smoke clears, the winner of the tournament is usually the one who draws an easier opponent and enters the finals a lot more fresh.

Also theres the injury aspect of Tournament fighting, take Sengoku 9 for instance, in the Semi-Finals of the Featherweight Grand Prix Hatsu Hioki defeated Masanori Kanehara however due to a concussion sustained in the fight Hioki was unable to advance to the finals and Keanehara ended up winning the Tournament despite being defeated earlier in the night.

]]> By: ESK http://mrjamesryan.com/2009/10/31/ufc-6-and-why-i-miss-the-good-old-days-of-tournament-style-fighting/comment-page-1/#comment-282 ESK Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:39:36 +0000 http://mrjamesryan.com/?p=285#comment-282 DREAM uses tournaments all the time... and no one has said it has to be a one night, three fight tournament like the old days, Stoker.<br><br>Yes, there is danger in tournament style fights that the winner may get hurt and be unable to compete, as we've seen on numerous occasions. But done correctly and with a bit of luck, things can turn out like they did for Bellator this year, where all the winners emerges unscathed and fought in the next round...<br><br>Additionally, all the guys they thought / hoped would win did, so they really lucked out.. DREAM uses tournaments all the time… and no one has said it has to be a one night, three fight tournament like the old days, Stoker.

Yes, there is danger in tournament style fights that the winner may get hurt and be unable to compete, as we've seen on numerous occasions. But done correctly and with a bit of luck, things can turn out like they did for Bellator this year, where all the winners emerges unscathed and fought in the next round…

Additionally, all the guys they thought / hoped would win did, so they really lucked out..

]]> By: LF http://mrjamesryan.com/2009/10/31/ufc-6-and-why-i-miss-the-good-old-days-of-tournament-style-fighting/comment-page-1/#comment-281 LF Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:38:58 +0000 http://mrjamesryan.com/?p=285#comment-281 1257078519 1543800 LunaticFridge<br><br> I love the idea of "tournaments" in the UFC, but only if they're spaced out for real fights. Like Quarterfinals in March, Semis in June/July, Finals in Oct/Nov. The problem with the one nighters is that you will never, ever have a great final. If by some chance you actually get the 2 best guys in the cage (which is very unlikely due to injuries and whatnot). They're each on their 3rd or 4th fight of the night.<br><br> Sorry, but i want to see the best fighters in the best shape go at it. And tournaments don't allow that. 1257078519 1543800 LunaticFridge

I love the idea of “tournaments” in the UFC, but only if they're spaced out for real fights. Like Quarterfinals in March, Semis in June/July, Finals in Oct/Nov. The problem with the one nighters is that you will never, ever have a great final. If by some chance you actually get the 2 best guys in the cage (which is very unlikely due to injuries and whatnot). They're each on their 3rd or 4th fight of the night.

Sorry, but i want to see the best fighters in the best shape go at it. And tournaments don't allow that.

]]> By: ESK http://mrjamesryan.com/2009/10/31/ufc-6-and-why-i-miss-the-good-old-days-of-tournament-style-fighting/comment-page-1/#comment-280 ESK Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:37:52 +0000 http://mrjamesryan.com/?p=285#comment-280 I don't think you have to have one or the other - title fights or tournaments.<br><br>Tournaments can be a great way to determine #1 contenders while the champion can still defend their belt.<br><br>When the LW belt was relinquished by Jens Pulver, the UFC went to a tournament to determine a new champ... it ended in a draw and ruined their plans, but still, the intention was there.<br><br>Hypothetically speaking, you could have GSP set to defend against Fitch and have the next four in line in a tourney to decide who gets the winner. Start the tourney two months before the title fight, eight months later (fight, four months off, round two, time off, winner vs. winner) you have another WW title fight.<br><br>Not ideal, but there are ways to integrate the two... I don't think you have to have one or the other – title fights or tournaments.

Tournaments can be a great way to determine #1 contenders while the champion can still defend their belt.

When the LW belt was relinquished by Jens Pulver, the UFC went to a tournament to determine a new champ… it ended in a draw and ruined their plans, but still, the intention was there.

Hypothetically speaking, you could have GSP set to defend against Fitch and have the next four in line in a tourney to decide who gets the winner. Start the tourney two months before the title fight, eight months later (fight, four months off, round two, time off, winner vs. winner) you have another WW title fight.

Not ideal, but there are ways to integrate the two…

]]> By: Ed http://mrjamesryan.com/2009/10/31/ufc-6-and-why-i-miss-the-good-old-days-of-tournament-style-fighting/comment-page-1/#comment-279 Ed Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:37:27 +0000 http://mrjamesryan.com/?p=285#comment-279 Hey, I think we're on the same wavelength here. My favorite sporting event of all time was UFC 1. Okay, granted, the ref SUCKED ASS. And the commentators were utterly clueless. Hell, so were most of the fighters involved.<br><br>But what UFC 1 really was: The dawn of at long last proving which martial arts worked and which ones didn't work in a real fight. The best part was that nobody had any clue how useless pure striking martial arts would be, nor how devastatingly effective pure grappling arts would be.<br><br>It would be nice to have those days of discovery over again, but you can only sneak up on the entire planet once. Hey, I think we're on the same wavelength here. My favorite sporting event of all time was UFC 1. Okay, granted, the ref SUCKED ASS. And the commentators were utterly clueless. Hell, so were most of the fighters involved.

But what UFC 1 really was: The dawn of at long last proving which martial arts worked and which ones didn't work in a real fight. The best part was that nobody had any clue how useless pure striking martial arts would be, nor how devastatingly effective pure grappling arts would be.

It would be nice to have those days of discovery over again, but you can only sneak up on the entire planet once.

]]> By: Jeff http://mrjamesryan.com/2009/10/31/ufc-6-and-why-i-miss-the-good-old-days-of-tournament-style-fighting/comment-page-1/#comment-269 Jeff Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:24:45 +0000 http://mrjamesryan.com/?p=285#comment-269 Very well done! Thanks, James. Very well done! Thanks, James.

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